Headline writers were especially taken with Harries’s response to a question thrown at her on the eve of the first national lockdown on how lovers should navigate the coming months. Standing at a lectern next to Matt Hancock (who we can surmise was not listening), she said: “I’m clearly going to start a new career here in relationship counselling, so I will tread very carefully… If the two halves of a couple are currently in separate households, ideally they should stay in those households. The alternative might be that, for quite a significant period going forwards, they should test the strength of their relationship and decide whether one wishes to be permanently resident in another household.” 

“Shack up or break up,” the papers shouted as the shutters came down the next day.

Harries is big on the power of human experience and thinks we have learnt a huge amount as a population about infection control over the past few years. So much so that if we were to face another pandemic tomorrow the UK would take a more Swedish approach to social distancing, she suggests. Social contact fell broadly to the same extent in both countries during the pandemic but, while stay-at-home orders were legally mandated here, in Sweden they were voluntary for the most part.

“What we saw with omicron and later waves of the pandemic, and even now, is that people are good at watching the data and they will take action themselves,” says Harries. “You can see it in footfall going down. People actually start to manage their own socialisation, and the [viral] waves flatten off and come down.”

So next time round we will be more like Sweden, changing our behaviour but without the need for legislation?

Harries is far too savvy to have the word Sweden or – as I later try – South Korea put in her mouth, but the direction of travel is clear. The key, she says, is to be transparent about the risks and build trust with the public. 

“The more people trust the organisation to give them early, accurate, honest and straightforward information, then, yes, the likelihood of us moving to extreme forms of transmission management reduce all the time, whether it be for coronavirus or anything else,” she says.